is the president of the united states. chris, those are some pretty strong words from strong obama ally. should the president be more involved in these talks? >> you're talking about an election that just ended. you're talking about a lame duck session and a new congress being sworn in it's the new congress that's going to deal with this and there's going to be significant changes. i think the president sitting back. letting the certain players and congress kind of figure out the main details. i have no doubt to come back after the president is sworn in again, he's going to put a major push in. i have no doubt about that. in fact it's smart politics, it's smart policy. i think you've seen republicans and democrats coming to terms with that, this is something that's going to get done. my guess is it's probably going to get done in the first year of the new presidency. joe after immigration reform, most folks suspect that immigration reform is going to get done in some way, shape or, form or fashion. after that, joe, what's,